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The Global Citizen

A Perspective from Outside the Corporation

The IBTE Conversation with David Korten

Ethix Magazine       Issue 25 (Sept-Oct 02): 6-9, 16  

©Institute for Business, Technology, and Ethics
P.O. Box  50474, Bellevue WA 98015
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(Al Erisman & David Gill are Co-Directors of the IBTE)

             David C. Korten earned his M.B.A. and Ph.D. degrees at Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business, focusing on economics, organization theory, and business strategy, and then served on the Harvard Business School faculty for five years.  Believing that a new generation of professional business entrepreneurs was the key to overcoming world poverty, Korten worked on business education and development projects in Ethiopia, Nicaragua, and, for fifteen years, Southeast Asia.

            Based on these experiences, Korten came to believe that the typical corporate development model was more of a problem than a solution, that it contributed to environmental and social breakdowns and intensified the gap between rich and poor.  Back in the United States since 1992, Korten has become a major thinker and speaker in the anti-globalization movement.  He is the author of When Corporations Rule the World (Kumarian Press & Berrett-Koehler Publishers, by 1995, 2nd ed., 2001) and The Post-Corporate World  (Berrett-Koehler Publishers,& Kumarian Press  1999). 

            David Korten is co-founder and board chair of the Positive Futures Network (www.futurenet.org), publisher of YES! A Journal of Positive Futures, founder and president of The People-Centered Development Forum (www.pcdf.org), and an associate of the International Forum on Globalization (www.ifg.org).  

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David W. Gill:  How did you---a Stanford “Young Republican” earning an MBA and Ph.D. in business, an Air Force Captain during Vietnam, and a Harvard business school professor---end up as an anti-corporate, anti-globalization prophet out here in “ecotopia” on Bainbridge Island, so far from the center and the mindset of the business world? 

David C. Korten:  Thirty years of working in Third World countries convinced me that the development models we were spreading throughout the world were actually deepening human poverty and inequality, and producing environmental destruction and social breakdown. 

My focus at Stanford was on business organization.  We were trained to trace problems back to the way decision-making processes are organized.  My analysis led me to conclude that we have created a global system of economic institutions programmed to behave in a sociopathic way.  We had a very serious problem but very little discussion of how the system might lead to such negative outcomes.

A lot of my analysis was developed in conjunction with Asian colleagues from nongovernmental organizations working with rural poor.   At one point they told me that if I really want to be helpful I should go home and try to educate the American people to understand what America policies and American corporations are doing to the rest of the world.  It came to a point where I decided that was exactly what I needed to do.

Gill:   So you are not blaming these problems on individual evil capitalists but on an organizational structure and a system of relationships?

Korten: My focus is on the economy as an organizational system that is structured to reward the worst in us.  There are certainly some extraordinarily dishonest and greedy people who use this system.  But most in the corporate system are ordinary decent people, many of them with deep spiritual and ethical values.  They are caught in a system that gives them very little scope to behave in any way other than what the system demands.   

Worse Off Today Than Before?

Gill: How do you measure whether people are worse off or not?  A friend of mine who dropped out of the corporate fast track and moved to China a decade ago to teach and to live a simple life among the people, insists that corporate development has brought real improvement to the lives of ordinary Chinese people. 

Korten:  My views are based on my own direct experience, on the reports of individuals, popular movements, and groups working on poverty around the world, and on global statistics.  By World Bank and UN statistics more than two billion people live in abject poverty on less than two dollars per day and another two billion live under very marginal poverty conditions. 

It is easy to go through life without ever seeing the poor.   I lived for 15 years in Southeast Asia, including five years in Indonesia, one of the much-hyped Tiger economies. Over time we got modern airports and highways, streets crowded with late model cars, shopping malls, housing colonies, and so forth.  It looked like incredible progress, but conditions for most people became increasingly harsh. It’s so easy not to see such divisions.  

Albert M. Erisman:  Certainly poor people in these environments are worse off than the wealthy but is the average person actually better off in this environment than without it? 

Korten:  That part is very elusive in terms of hard data.  But part of the dynamic that we miss is also that the development process pushes more and more people off the land and breaks down their community structures.  Incomes may be rising, at least marginally, in situations where people are in fact getting worse off because they are being disconnected from their main subsistence production and from the social security systems of the village and extended family as they are forced into the money economy.

Indonesia was one of the first countries I visited as a student resident in business school back in 1961.  The changes in Jakarta since then are just incredible.  And yet, out beyond the fringes of modern development and you will find incredibly degrading, putrid, fetid conditions that people are forced to live in.  There was a lot of poverty in Indonesia when I first visited there but not the same levels of degradation as today.

Gill:   Despite today’s huge problems aren’t we in some respects better off than in past?  Was Russia better off under the Communists than in today’s globalized corporate economy?  And before 1917 for peasants under the czars?  Did Western Europeans have it better in the Middle Ages?  or when the plague wiped out one-third of the population? 

Korten:  Following World War II, we moved into the development era and a lot of the statistics were improving until some time in the 1980s.  Then the numbers started turning around in many countries in terms of education and life expectancy. Even in Africa economic growth turned negative in many countries. The trends vary from place to place, of course, so generalizations are tricky.

When I first started getting a sense that we were not only failing to make the progress that we claimed but were actually making things worse for many people, I assumed that it must be just a local phenomenon.  But it was not just local.   Obviously the situation is extraordinarily complex and there are competing forces and trends.  Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, or Chile were at one point identified as emerging economies.  Massive amounts of money flowed in and supercharged the economy as growth indicators headed for the sky. Then something happened, the economy lost favor, the bubble burst, and the house of cards collapsed.  Peoples’ lives go up and down as economies rise and fall.

I believe that overall we are in a pattern of decline and that the path we are on cannot work in terms of bringing everybody into prosperity.  A few critics of corporate globalization could reasonably be interpreted as suggesting that there hasn't been any real human progress since we left the caves and that the ideal for the future is to return to the past.   For myself, I have no desire to return to any sort of idealized past.  The challenge we face is to create a very different future that makes the best possible use of our technology, of our capacity for global communication and exchange, and for cooperative activity.

Gill: So you see those as positive things about technology.

Korten: Technology is a very mixed bag.

Erisman:  But you wouldn't want to give up these two seventeen-inch flat screens on your desk.

Korten: :  Twenty inches!  I would be delighted if I did not have to spend my life sitting behind a computer writing about why the world is falling apart. 

Is the Corporation the Villain?

Erisman:   World population growth is one of several big issues we must face.  And yet the thrust of your argument seems to be that the corporation is the villain.  Are corporations the cause of population growth?  Why is this the focus?   

Korten:    My analysis makes a direct link between the publicly traded, limited liability corporation, which is the institutional centerpiece of the global economy, and the accelerating destruction of the life support system of the planet, the social fabric of society, and the legitimacy of our institutions. 

Irrespective of where to lay blame for how we got here, we face the question of how are we going to get out of this.  This brings me back then to how we are organized to make decisions.  The publicly traded, limited liability  corporation is an organizational technology that creates concentrations of economic and political power greater than that of most states for the exclusive financial benefit of shareholders who have no idea what the corporation is doing in their name and bear no liability for the consequences.  That power is organized to an extraordinary degree under one individual, the corporate CEO, who has, particularly under the US system, the power to virtually hire and fire at will, to open and close plants, to move them around the world, to add and drop product lines, etc.  There is virtually no recourse from any of the individuals or communities that are affected.

We say the CEO is accountable to shareholders, but it's really to the global “share markets,” which have evolved into a system of financial speculation that ruthlessly strips away human sensibility from investment decision making. Most shares are held not by individuals, but by mutual, insurance, retirement, or trust funds managed by professional money managers who are evaluated solely on returns to the portfolios they manage.  This financial system is now running out of control beyond any kind of human regulation, with one exclusive purpose: to achieve the maximum instant speculative financial gain.  So we organize our power this way and then we say, “Gee, why do we have all these social and environmental problems and why isn’t someone fixing them?”

CEO Power

Erisman:  A former CEO at The Boeing Company said to me, “Al, in some ways you have more power in this organization than I do because you can actually impact the way people work.  My decisions get filtered through all sorts of people and communities to the point where it's very difficult to actually produce change.” It’s very difficult to create change.  Someone said that every person in the organization from CEO to the worker on the floor actually controls only about 15% of his or her world.  This seems like a very small number but a great deal can be done with that 15%.

Korten:  I’m talking about formal, legal authority. In a sense none of us feel that we are ever in charge and it is very difficult to bring about positive change but the CEO can decide that the Boeing headquarters is going to abandon Seattle and move to Chicago.  At least some would interpret that as helping break the human bonds of obligation so it becomes easier to fire people and to move production to China and elsewhere in the world.

Erisman:  In fact, though, the CEO moved to Chicago so that the person who remains in Seattle and has responsibility for those decisions has the flexibility and room to make his own decisions. 

Korten:  But doesn't the CEO ultimately decide how much of Boeing’s production moves off shore?

Erisman:    No.  The person responsible for that production makes that decision.  That person is responsible to the CEO to deliver against his objectives but how he does it is decided by him and his team.  It is a much more complex system than you are imagining.

Korten:  It is much the same thing when the CEO delegates authority and responsibility for financial results that leave the production manager with little choice other than to move production off shore. Indeed, it is similar to the process by which financial markets delegate their ownership authority to the CEO and hold him accountable for financial results.  One thing over which the CEO has little or no power is the question of whether the corporation will give priority to financial return over ethical concerns for people and the environment. Obviously, the largest corporations couldn't function without the CEO delegating a great deal of responsibility for working out the details.

Erisman:  Incredible amounts.  At General Electric, the biggest corporation in the world, CEO Jack Welch said that his job was to develop people.  He didn't know anything about refrigerators or aircraft engines and let the people running those businesses make the decisions how to build them and where to put the plants.

Korten:  That's his choice but he can withdraw that authority at any time and he can at any time fire any one of those individuals if he thinks that they are not focused adequately on the corporate financial objective.

Erisman:  But if he operated in the way you describe, GE would be very unsuccessful and he would be gone. 

Korten:  As I recall, “Neutron” Jack Welch was revered in part for his willingness to fire tens of thousands of people to get a boost in share price. That aside, there is a distinction between the distribution of formal power and the way it plays out.  Many people working in the corporate environment have a hard time understanding the issues I'm calling attention to because things look so different from inside the corporation.   I'm not sitting within the firm so I look at problems from the standpoint of society and how society is organized.  Things look very different out here.   Within the corporation decisions are shaped by the legal fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder return. But if you step back, the statistics on increasing inequality are very clear. We've got a world of six billion people roughly eighty percent of whom are living in conditions that are not only substandard but often subhuman.  Stepping back, you see a society pushing the limits of the ecosystem and systematically destroying the life support system which is ultimately the foundation of all real wealth.  Without it we can't live. 

Erisman:  It is true that Jack Welch eliminated a lot of jobs when he started in the position, and it is not my place to defend or criticize that.  What he has said, however, is that had he not taken a large, sluggish company and streamlined it, it would not be a vibrant company today, with a positive presence in its communities.  But  I'm not disputing your broad concerns.  I'm trying to understand where you're going with the argument.  Opportunity may be more important than income, for example.

Korten:  It may be.  Ultimately the distribution of ownership is more important than the distribution of income because it is the foundation of income distribution and plays a major role in determining who has opportunity and who does not.  In very simple terms, we have a growing population, increasingly unequal in its purchasing power and its decision power, competing for what is a shrinking base of the real foundation wealth of the land and resources on which we depend to sustain our living.  The greater the inequality in purchasing power and ownership control, the more the folks at the top are in a position to rewrite the rules, acquire more and more control of the real wealth and property in society, and exclude those who are not part of the elite structure.

Erisman:  Business consultant Don Tapscott has suggested that the Internet creates a more transparent world in which  unethical practices will inevitably come to light and force CEOs to eliminate these problems.  This says that corporate interests must include more than just profits and power.

Korten:  It is true that customers and shareholders sometimes successfully take corporations to task for bad behavior, but as we’ve seen in the recent accounting fraud scandals, a great deal of damage can be done before customers --- or even shareholders --- realize what is happening.

Erisman:  No doubt.  But my point is that the system is more complex than you're suggesting.  The CEO is not just making decisions narrowly-based on money but must include the values of people.  He cannot just do whatever he wants in a vacuum. Transparency creates some correction in the system. 

Korten:  Enron, Worldcom, AOL Time Warner, Qwest Communications, Global Crossing, Waste Management, Sunbeam, Halliburton, Xerox, Harkin Energy — the list of major companies so focused on profits — and stock options — that they have been cooking the books with the help of their auditors has become so long that even many business leaders and analysts are saying the problem is systemic. Our forebears asked whether we wanted to continue having kings and organizing our politics around a monarchy.  Now some kings were pretty good.  Kings don't really control everything.  Things are not entirely their fault.  But ultimately people decided it is really not a very good way to organize because it concentrates too much unaccountable power, with an enormous potential for abuse.

I would argue that we have created something that is relatively akin to a monarchy in our economic system.   The powers of CEOs in our largest corporations probably exceed the powers of most kings in the past, even if our CEOs don't quite have the liberty to literally behead people at will.

Overstatements?

Erisman: I'm sympathetic to a lot of the concerns that you raise, such as the growing inequality and the environmental challenge.  But I was very frustrated with your book When Corporations Rule the World because many people who need to hear your concerns won't be able to because of extreme or unsubstantiated statements you make.   For example, about the WTO protests in Seattle, you wrote:  “Thousands of protesters committed to nonviolent resistance courageously stood their ground against the violent police battalions.”  But while some of the protesters idealistic, courageous people., some of them were troublemakers.  And while some of the police were repressive and violent, some were not.  And you made the statement "tens of thousands of people are living well, hundreds of thousands enjoying higher levels, but billions are in an evermore desperate struggle for survival."  This quantification of the problem appears to me to be an exaggeration.

Korten:  If you've got time, I can show you the videotapes of the Seattle WTO protests.  And if you read beyond the introduction of When Corporations Rule the World you will find the generalizations you mention are well documented. 

Erisman:  You do provide data, but not to support the implication of your statement that the vast majority of people live in poverty.  That a substantial number do (as supported by your data and the data of others) is of concern enough.  The exaggeration may cause people who need to hear you to dismiss your whole argument.  That is my frustration.

Korten:  I appreciate your frustration.  To be perfectly frank, the parts you were reading were added in the second edition.  When I wrote the first edition I was already pretty skeptical of the corporate system and the possibility of change coming from within.  But by the time I did the second edition I had no remaining illusions about the possibility for the system changing itself.  The system itself, by my assessment, virtually precludes the depth of the change that is necessary, given the constraints under which corporate management works.

 I recognize that my words are not likely to resonate with people within the system; they're not directed to those people.  My message to people within the corporate system who are really concerned is don't waste your considerable talent and resources trying to make incremental changes inside but bring your talents outside and help us create an alternative system.

What is the Alternative?

Gill: If corporations as we know them are essentially beyond reform, what would you replace them with?

Korten:  We must begin to make choices not in terms of what will maximize shareholder value but what will maximize the living conditions and well being of all the world's people.  And we must not only protect what we have but restore a lot of what we've destroyed.

 If we step back and ask how we might actually design a deeply democratic system, grounded in equity, and geared to providing people with the means of livelihood to live good lives, my basic thesis is that it would look very much like a market economy.  What I call a real market economy.  In my other book The Post Corporate World I draw a very clear distinction between a capitalist global economy and a real market economy.  One is structured to concentrate wealth and power and the other, in the genre going back to Adam Smith, is about a system of smaller enterprises that are rooted in community and engaged in responding to people’s needs.

It would be a system of predominantly small and medium enterprises.   You might have some very complicated networks and we may need some larger companies.  But in terms of meeting most of our needs, I think we could all agree that we don't need a transnational corporation to run hamburger stands or even to grow our food, particularly if we're growing it in environmentally healthy and sustainable ways.  Think about an economic system in which enterprises are accountable to the people who work in them or to the communities in which they do business and are actually owned by their workers, managers, the community, or consumer co-ops.  The financial side is of course there and it is reasonable to make a fair profit.  But the firms would exist not solely for making profits but to provide livelihoods. 

Erisman:  Would this alternative system produce the 747 that took you to Indonesia and the 20 inch flat panel displays that allow you to write? 

Korten:  I don't know whether it would or not.  I would not be too disturbed if we created a world in which everybody had a secure diet, a decent place to live, good education, and adequate healthcare, and didn’t have twenty-inch LCD computer screens and Boeing 747s — if that trade off turned out to be necessary. 

Erisman:  I don't believe that small and medium sized enterprises can produce large complex products like airplanes and flat panel screens. 

Good and Bad Corporations

Gill:  What do you do with examples of corporations that seem to operate in a humane, positive, value-driven way while achieving long-term financial success?  Aren’t companies like AES, Southwest Airlines, Lincoln Electric Motors, the old Hewlett-Packard, the Body Shop, and Ben and Jerry’s examples of another way in the corporate world? 

Korten:  It probably is possible for an individual company for a period of time to be more responsible than the norm within the existing system.  But I don't think that should deflect us from the larger set of issues of whether this is a suitable way to organize a society.  I would argue that a corporation like Enron defines the system more than, say, Southwest Airlines.

Gill:  But isn’t Enron evidence that a serious corporate cancer will eventually be rejected? 

Korten:  Yes, but remember that Enron was one of the darlings of the system until it crashed.  One of the interesting characteristics of Enron, which I believe reflects the deep values of the corporate system, is that the company did not produce any actual goods or services.  It was engaged in profit-taking based only on trading and market control — and it turns out “aggressive” accounting.  Enron was making money off of money without dirtying their hands in the production of any goods and services.  Enron epitomizes the dishonesty, the lying, and the buying of politicians, the manipulation of markets, the ripping off of shareholders and customers, and the corruption of the auditing system.

Gill:  But doesn't everybody agree with that? Nobody is saying we must rip off our shareholders better next time.  They're saying we must be sure we're not doing any of this Enron stuff because we would surely be exposed and undone. 

Korten:  Enron is not representative of all corporations, but is the driving edge of the system, of key features that are deeply structural, that encourage and reward the absolute worst of corporate behavior.   Your arguments all assume the corporate framework and look for a way to fix this or that.  But this will not change anything in terms of how power is distributed.  The real crux of it comes back to this equity issue that we agree on.  I would argue that the corporate system as it is now structured is the absolute antithesis of any effort toward more equity because it is all geared toward the systematic concentration of wealth in the hands of those who already have wealth.

 (Note: the remainder of this text was published only in the uncut web version)        

 What Really Motivates Executives

Erisman:  You describe the evil of the system and yet, as a corporate executive for the last ten years, working within that system, I never said, or felt like saying, “this is for me.”  My colleagues and I had a bigger mission than that.

Korten:  How would you characterize the mission?

Erisman:  The mission was to do something great.   Boeing had a slogan "bringing people together."  For us it would be great to enable people across the globe to come together or to communicate with each other in a better way.  On a more local level, our mission was to create an environment where people with incredible talent could express it in their work, to give them the freedom and resources necessary for a really good work experience.  I have encountered individuals in the corporate world who had the wrong motives but I often saw the system spit them out in the same way that the system is spitting out Enron.  I have a lot more confidence in the system than you do.

Korten:   What you are saying is very important.  Human beings have an enormous need to feel that they are contributing in a positive way to a community.  In fact, if there is any hope for humanity, it must be grounded in that inner instinct.  Classic economic theory rules out possibilities for altruism based on any ground other than personal profit but I think we're all saying that's just not true.  There is a very deep human drive.  If we find ourselves in the context of a situation like a corporation, we'll struggle mightily to find a moral rationale.

The question is, if we want to really use that motivation, if we want to give it rein so that we can create a world that works, is that best done within the existing corporate framework, or are there other institutional frameworks where it becomes a more natural process.  The Boeing slogan, "bringing people together,” is wonderful.  But if we look at the ecosystem, it would seem that we're going to have to find ways to bring people together that involve a whole lot less air travel than what we do now.  Air travel itself is an unsustainable burden on the planet.

There's also a quality of life issue.  I would like to spend a whole lot less of my life on Boeing 747s than I do now, though it is my favorite airplane to fly.  Yes we must bring people together but could Boeing employees got together and look for a way to do it other than with airplanes?   

Fatalism and Reform

Gill:  In your review of Thomas Friedman’s Lexus and the Olive Tree, you say that what ticks you off most about this book is Friedman's assumption that corporate globalization is inevitable. 

Korten:  It's the most disempowering myth that's out there.

Gill:  So you urge radical reform of the global economic system.  But how is that a less daunting task than the reform of a corporation?  Your book is saying corporate misbehavior is inevitable, and resistance is futile.  But just as you reject Friedman’s fatalism about globalization, shouldn’t we reject your fatalism about the corporation? 

Korten:  The publicly-traded, limited-liability corporation is a particular institutional form that happens to be pathological in its design and consequences. There are three crucial dimensions: size, absentee ownership, and the special exemption from liability for the people to whom management is supposed to be accountable. One aspect of a reform agenda might involve breaking up global corporations into independent businesses owned by their local stakeholders — which I think would be a highly positive step. But then you would be dealing with a very different sort of institution. It would be far smaller and it would be owned by people who are real investor-stakeholders who are involved in the firm, live in the community, and are in it for the long-term, not just to turn a profit on a stock trade. You could call this reforming the publicly traded global corporation. But then it would no longer be either global or publicly traded. I don’t think the initiative for such reforms is likely to come from within the system any more than I expect that Boeing is going to make a decision to work itself out of the airplane business, that General Motors is going to lobby to end urban sprawl and replace autos with mass transit, or that Coca Cola is going to decide to stop urging children to consume expensive sugar water. My argument is not that the system — even the individual enterprises now organized as publicly-traded corporations — cannot be reformed. If I didn’t believe in the possibility of reform, I would not be doing the work I do. The question is, whether it is realistic to expect the impetus for the essential system change to come from within the corporate system or whether the impetus must come from outside from citizen groups. Again, I will reiterate that I would love to have somebody prove me wrong by demonstrating that real transformational change can come from within. 

Erisman:    What do you put in the place of the corporate structure?

Korten:  I would describe it as human scale enterprises.  What is the ideal?  Is the ideal the very biggest corporation making a 50 percent return?  Or is it human scale enterprises in which people know each other and they function within a community framework?  I would characterize a large corporation not as a community of people but as a pool of money because in the end the only rights that are protected are the rights of money; the individuals are expendable. 

Erisman:  I certainly don't look at it that way. I see it as a collection of individuals in a community actually.

Korten:  Yes.  But they're all expendable.  You can all be fired, including the CEO.

Erisman:  In most communities people can be fired or expelled.

Korten:  A very extreme measure.  It's very very rare.

 The Blessings of WalMart

Erisman:  Your model is obviously better for some people.  They have more of a sense of ownership of what they're doing, they're part of a community and so on.  But economically you might say, if I live in this small community in Arkansas would I be able to buy clothes at the same price and quality that I can buy them at the local WalMart which has transformed some of these communities in terms of creating opportunities for people to get their basic necessities at lower prices.

Korten:  The system pushes people's wages down to where they can only afford the WalMart products. It is a statistical fact that real wages have been coming back up recently but I think they're basically still somewhere around where they were in 1970.

Erisman:  WalMart offers people the opportunity to purchase things because of the way they've done things.  Sam Walton himself, even as the CEO and a very wealthy person, sat at a metal desk in a little corner office.

Korten:  They're destroying downtowns all over the country.

Erisman:  Does it destroy downtowns or does it give people a choice?  At the mom and pop store quality may be terrible and prices high, whereas at WalMart the quality is excellent and the prices are low. 

Korten:  It comes back to our perception of the current situation.  Whether WalMart is an advantage or is destroying valuable community structures and values, pushing down wages, and destroying valuable businesses that have functioned for generations in service to their communities.

Erisman:  You envision a future that's very different.  Can you actually move the system we have from where it is today to the system you envision in a stable way?  Is there a constructive path to get there in your view?   

Korten:  We need a discussion about the possibilities of living economies.  We're caught in the grip of a suicide economy that's destroying the foundations of its own existence.  What we need to do is grow into being living economies based on something more — based on real market principles that root ownership in real people and real communities.  The change process is grounded in the idea that there are an enormous number of elements of what we call living economies already in place.  In terms of enterprises that are built around values ,that are owned by real people and so forth.  But they exist at the fringes of the suicide economy and are very dependent upon the institutions of the suicide economy. 

The strategy is to encourage these enterprises to pull away from dependence on the suicide economy and begin to develop relationships among themselves to create new economies which then create an increasing range of new opportunities for people in terms of shopping, employment and investment.

Finding Alternatives

Gill:   So, how do you go about the renewal?  Do you just wait until things get so bad that people will say, there must be a better way?  How do you persuade people to begin looking negatively at a suicide economy and look for an alternative?

Korten:  Well, it is happening. The excesses of the corporate system are now being exposed big time and many people are saying there must be a better way.  There are centers of awakening in many different settings, and in nations all around the world.  People have a more or less explicit feeling that things are not working right and that we need to look for alternatives.  Some are trying to organize politically.  Some are engaged in resistance.  Others are engaged in trying to rebuild their communities and neighborhoods.  These things are coming up all over the world.  It's partly communicated through the different vehicles at our command

Paul Ray estimates there are 50 million “Cultural Creatives” with deep commitments to social and environmental values and to a future that's better than the past.  If you combine this with spiritual grounding, then you're among the 20 million or so “Core Cultural Creatives.”   It is hard to believe that this is 25 percent of the adult population.  Where are all these people?  Ray says that is part of the issue.  Cultural Creatives don't see themselves reflected in the political system or the media and so they feel very alone, isolated, and disempowered.  Part of the key to change is to help Cultural Creatives identify themselves and reach out and connect.

The key to change comes around a kind of an awakening.  It's partly a cultural awakening and partly a spiritual awakening.   We each grow up within our own culture and just simply accept that our particular world view is reality and there is no basis for testing it.   Out of the civil rights movement many of us came to recognize that relationships among the races were defined by cultural codes that do not necessarily have anything to do with reality.  Then the women's movement produced a similar realization around gender.  Gender is defined by cultural codes that don't necessarily have anything to do with reality.   Then the environmental movement -- same thing in our relationship to the environment. 

Now we're in a phase where we're questioning some of the culturally based assumptions about the economy and our relationship to the economy.  I would argue that in fact part of what holds the existing corporate system is held in place by a fabricated culture, i.e. a culture artificially created by the educational system and by advertising — in contrast to a culture is what has become an increasingly fabricated culture, not one that emerges as an expression of human values and experience. grows out of peoples experience and sense of grounding and community, human consciousness or values, but rather which has become increasingly manipulated by the educational system  Contemporary education too often answers our questions about who we are and the nature of our responsibility to society in terms of the theory of economic man, i.e., we are creatures of greed and we best serve society by pursuing our individual financial self-interest. Advertising constantly tells us that material consumption will satisfy our thirst for meaning.  -- the whole view of economic man which has become so pervasive: that we're products of our greed.  And of course all the advertising messages have become increasingly pervasive and push us toward a dissatisfaction with ourselves around materialistic kinds of things that create a sense of emptiness that can be filled only by consuming whatever product they're promoting.  These beliefs are basic foundations of This is a fabricated culture that serves the corporate system at the expense of life.

 Throughout human history people have tended to simply accept the teachings of their culture as a given. Now, in part because of the great social movements of our time and because of our expanded opportunities for cross cultural experience, But, again, because of our cultural mechanisms we sort of fall into this without really stepping back and questioning it.  Now, what I think is happening is that more and more of us are becoming aware of the existence and nature of culture, not in an abstract sense, but in the a sense of really beginning to struggle with the many possible ways of viewing and interpreting the same reality. realities.  We come to realize, “Oh, I grew up in a culture that taught me to see the world in this particular way, but there's other ways of looking at it.”  And then you begin to realize, yeah, okay, my cultural world view is a construct that may or may not correspond to objective reality. Indeed, there are many different cultural constructs. A cultural construct is a human creation — a choice. not a given inherent in the fabric of some objective reality.  We have arrived at a point in the human experience when we must make those choices consciously and intentionally.

Posted January 7, 2003

 

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